posted 10-17-2007 11:48 AM            

Here is the offending pic.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1189/ginolunchmeatdm9.gif

I was going to put him in drag, but I thought that would get me banned.

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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room."
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posted 10-17-2007 01:01 PM            

So, say goodbye to Studebaker Hawk. On to another name. This stuff has got to be driving George crazy. Of course, he deserves nothing less.

posted 10-17-2007 01:13 PM            

Anyhow, Barry_C is registered.

posted 10-17-2007 01:38 PM            

On to the next alter-ego.

r

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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room."
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posted 10-17-2007 01:47 PM         

Ludovico/ Could Liv / Cold Vilo ???

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posted 10-17-2007 06:21 PM         

Their only recourse is to block the posters that are making them look like the complete bafoons that they are. Keep up the good work!

posted 10-18-2007 01:47 AM         

July 30, 1995
Honors Studies Shine at Community College
By SHARON W. LINSKER

GINO SCALABRINI, 21, planned to major in accounting when he entered Westchester Community College in 1992, but he became fascinated with political science after taking courses in the honors program. He has just completed his junior year at Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H., where he is majoring in government.

Each year about 100 students take part in the honors program at Westchester Community College in Valhalla. Many of them credit that program with introducing them to new subjects and stimulating their interest in college-level work.

Being in the program also helps students get into four-year schools and earn scholarships. Another drawing point is the tuition, the lowest in the county.

"Students are choosing Westchester Community for both academic and financial reasons," said Abby J. Hirsch, director of guidance for the Somers school system. "There has been a tremendous change in attitude toward W.C.C. over the last couple of years, especially because some families have been hard hit economically."

In 1994, 20 percent of Somers High School's 160 graduates went to Westchester Community, and several could have qualified for four-year schools.

Two typical honors program courses are the Art of the Novel and Life: Origins and Evolution. Enrollment in each class is limited to 18. Students take part in symposiums that explore topics in greater depth than in regular courses, hear guest speakers and develop close relationships with professors who offer academic guidance and share similar interests with the students.

The honors program is headed by Carol Klein, associate professor in the chemistry department, and Dr. Linda Ching Sledge, assistant professor in the English department. Both women hold the Joseph and Sophia Abeles chair in the honors program, sponsored since 1994 by the Abeles family of Mount Pleasant.

Until now, speakers have addressed individual honors program classes. For example, the Westchester residents Benjamin Cheever, a novelist, and Aranka Siegel, a young author who lectures on the Holocaust, visited during the last academic year. But financing from the Abeles chair will enable the directors to run seminars next year that will be open to the public. The first such meeting will take place in the spring, and the topic will be "Can Justice Be Done in the United States?"

Honors participants include the same mix of traditional and nontraditional students found throughout the college. There are teen-agers just out of high school, women with children, students from foreign countries and adults with diverse work experience. During the last academic year, honors program students included a former dancer, an auto mechanic and a police officer.

Among those attracted to Westchester Community College are young men and women who cannot afford the high cost of four-year colleges. Tuition at the community college this fall will be $2,150 for two full-time semesters for residents and $90 a credit part time. In contrast, Mr. Scalabrini will pay about $27,000 for room, board and tuition during his senior year at Dartmouth.

Westchester Community College scholarships also help ease the cost of going to college. In the honors program, Nancy Jo Abeles Honors Scholarships are awarded for outstanding academic performance.

April Landshof, 24, of Katonah, chose the community college over a four-year school because of the saving it offered. "I didn't want to waste money since I wasn't sure what I wanted to do," Ms. Landshof said. She is the oldest of three children and is putting herself through college by working while attending classes.

At the college, Ms. Landshof took all the drama courses available and psychobiology, mathematical excursions: problem solving, and other honors classes. In the fall, she will transfer to New York University to study drama education.

Honors program students frequently talk about the involvement and innovative approach of their teachers and about the strong bond among classmates. James Holdridge, 43, a Mahopac resident who was a police officer for 21 years, said that while he had always read on his own he had not discussed literature with others until coming to Westchester Community College in 1993.

Now Mr. Holdridge is getting straight A's and was twice a finalist at the Beacon Conference for Student Scholars at Two Year Colleges, held this year at Dutchess Community College in Poughkeepsie. In 1995, 7 of the 44 finalists from 26 colleges were from Westchester Community College, and 6 of the community college's participants were honors program students.

When Mr. Scalabrini graduated from high school, his composite Scholastic Assessment Test scores totaled nearly 1,200, but his grade point average was low. Accepted at only a few expensive private colleges and one New York State four-year school, he decided to attend Westchester Community College.

There, he found the honors program a "place for serious students to work with other students," he said.

"I felt really well prepared when I began my junior year at Dartmouth," he added. And Dartmouth credited all his course work from Westchester Community College.

Mr. Scalabrini was also accepted by the University of Virginia, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Yale University, Boston College and the State University of New York.

Each year, several institutions award scholarships to Westchester Community College students, and the University of Rochester gives a full scholarship to an honors program graduate. Westchester Community College has also signed articulation agreements with 22 four-year colleges, automatically granting two full years of credits to entering juniors.

Dr. Joseph N. Hankin, president of Westchester Community College, said: "Our students have gotten into very strong schools that they couldn't have gotten into initially because their grades weren't high enough. And what's more, they save two years of higher tuition."

posted 10-18-2007 08:19 AM         

I am starting to get pissed these days.

posted 10-19-2007 08:53 AM            

You are doing great. They are ill informed and have no purpose in life except to cause trouble.

I decided early that it was not going to work to educate them, so I spent my time simply causing trouble.

Nice jab with the "gullible" reference.

r

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posted 10-19-2007 02:03 PM            

Grogan apparently has a criminal record (felony assault is what I've heard).

Grogan is much more brief in communication, and and is such a self-serving vulture that I don't think it likely he'd volunteer time at anti.

r

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posted 10-19-2007 07:04 PM            

He has essentially crossed over to the dark side. However, his motivation is not what he claims it is (his conscience). His motivation is his own arrogance, anger, and entitlement - else he wouldn't treat people the way he does. He also confuses arrogance with intelligence.

If he were a healthier person, then he would work to improve things where he could.

He's just another aggressive narcissist, with a pathologicial need to be right.

You might as well argue with a sign.

r

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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room."
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posted 10-20-2007 11:32 AM            

I have never met Grogan but I have heard a whole lot about him. Based on what little bit I do know, I believe that 1904 could indeed be Grogan:

John Grogan, based in California, apparently never attended any sort of formal polygraph training, yet he hung out a shingle, opened a polygraph business, and proceeded to run all sorts of polygraph examinations. Grogan then apparently decided to further his business by "training" new polygraphers in a very unique fashion; by offering the sale of a "Polygraph School in a Box". (I guess some sort of "extension course?")

Of course, as the result of practicing this rather "unique" approach to the polygraph profession, neither Grogan nor any of his subsequent "graduates" qualified for membership in any polygraph organization, John Grogan, undeterred, simply started his own "professional organization." I believe it is called "Polygraph Examiners of America (PEOA)."

This whole situation fascinated me so I decided to do a google search. I found the Grogan website, with its links to PEOA and a statement that John Grogan, P.I., author, and polygraph examiner was going to be "semi-retired."

I then remembered from reading the anti-polygraph bulletin boards, "1904" had talked of going into 'semi-retirement," used some very "California" terms in his writings, had a clear distaste for the polygraph community (based on long standing bad blood, I'm guessing), he mentioned being an author, and the final piece of evidence was 1904's "training" of a layman to purchase his polygraph business and actually run exams without benefit of a formal polygraph education...Pure "Grogan" according to my sources. There was a bit more to connect him to 1904 I just can't remember it all right now

posted 10-20-2007 12:06 PM            

Others have communicated directly with 1904, though I have not, and have found him to be reasonable and intelligent. That is interesting, but doesn't tell much. Those conversations are brief, and through online PM.

I tend to trust the judgement of the people who have interacted with him, though I still suspect he is an aggressive narcissist. One important thing about narcissists is that they can be superficially charming. He's been banned at anti, for his abusiveness, but sneaks back in somehow??? There is more to him than meets the eye.

Grogan, with whom I've had no direct interaction, strikes me as the type of bottom-feeder, who might not take the time to spend at anti. He is the type of narcissistic and aggressive nutcase that would cross over to the dark side the way 1904 has.

A lot of people over there are not who they say they are. I guess I wouldn't be surprised by anything at this point.

r

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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room."
--(Stanley Kubrick/Peter Sellers - Dr. Strangelove, 1964)

posted 10-20-2007 12:33 PM            

As for Grogan, I agree with your assessment on him as well.

posted 10-20-2007 12:57 PM            

We pressed the "sarge" and then they kicked us all off.

Then Drewie appears and verifies the "sarge's" ID, with nothing but a bunch of glad-handing and back-slapping.

It would have made a lot more sense to authenticate that person through Barry, JB, Skipp or any of the good folks who don't post anonymously.

I've tried to sneak back onto the anti site, and I can't. I spoke to my son, who knows a lot more about web forums and mySQL authentication than I do. He doesn't seem to think it un-likely they would be unable to plug the route for his "clandestine" re-entry. There are aparently some hacks for most systems, but they are mostly known and manageable. Plus most assertive admins (like GM) would rectify the vulnerability.

There is most likely some collusion around 1904's presence at anti.

1904 is not as well studied as he claims. His facts are repeatedly wrong, which suggests he doesn't do his homework and shoots from the hip. He also purports to be educated, but misses a lot of literary references and allusions.

Another thing I've noticed is that the admins seem to be screening new users more carefully. Attempts to register with anything containing "examiner" "polygraph" are killed without response.

r

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posted 10-20-2007 07:54 PM         

Again I'd like to thank fellow posters.

E

posted 10-21-2007 11:44 AM            

The bottom line is: they do own that turf. If it were me I would have kicked us off long ago. We weren't exactly acting like polite guests. On the other hand it may not be realistic to engage in actual discourse with them. They are not who they say they are (I still won't believe the "sarge" until their is an independent authenticated contact). There might be a few real people with some real gripes, fears, or concerns, but they are not interested in problem solving or understanding. And that leaves room for little besides guerrilla tactics and adolescent behavior -

It might be worth considering other more durable ways to improve the visibility and presence of a more thoughtful dialog on polygraph matters.

posted 10-21-2007 04:23 PM         

God Bless America!

posted 10-22-2007 07:00 AM            

There was nothing you guys said, no attitude you displayed that was any worse (and in most cases far more civil) than you have received from the likes of Sergeant, Digit, Scalabrini, and others)

If you look at their board this morning, the "administrator" and others are delighting in "outing" you guys, not because you said or did anything inappropriate, but because you actually had the gall to challenge their little kingdom and they were able to stop you. Now they can sell their B.S. without challenge.

Of course, never again, can Anti-polygraph.org claim to be a "free and open" forum.